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    Hello, I had an experience at one of our affiliates: AutoLinks. They installed an alarm and completed tinting last year in October. John Ng, the owner/manager, was a nice guy until I spoke to him on the phone today. I was shocked at how rude he was on the phone. Up until this point, I was going to give him a chance to fix the mistake, especially when he is so regarded well on TSC and it appeared that he knew what he was doing. Plus being an affiliate on TPC usually tells me that they're a credible and reliable business. I was also aware that Grant had some good experience with him. Grant probably only saw his good side. I also trusted him because he said he used to work at Audio Heaven. Why he stopped working there I don't know but I am curious now.

    Basically, there's a problem with the tint and despite there being a lifetime warranty, he gave me a pretty hard time (to my surprise) about it, even though I was polite throughout. Granted, I did wait almost 9 months before asking him when I should finally come in for him to have a look at it, but the bottom line is that a lifetime warranty is a lifetime warranty. You can't accuse me of causing the bubble. You can take one look at it and will know it's the workmanship or the material. I was polite throughout and didn't raise my voice. I have been on TPC since 2003 and I have no reason to badmouth anyone. I am just posting this to show my experience at one of our affiliates and to let people know what I went through. Ultimately, he agreed to look at my car but that was until I maintained my cool and said that, "It's ok, maybe I'll just pay someone else to remove it and replace it if it's too much trouble." That was the key...for me to still be polite regardless of how he spoke to me.

    I work for the government and I called from work. I have this conversation inadvertently recorded so if anyone wants proof of the validity of this conversation, I will be more than happy to provide it. He can't deny that I wasn't polite and he can't deny that he wasn't being rude.

    Conversation between John from Auto Links and me (5:30pm on July 7/10).

    Me: Hi, I had my car tinted with you last October (2009) and I noticed several bubbles on the rear window and emailed you about it back then. I've been really busy and your location is quite far from me. I have time off now to have you come look at it and see what you can do.

    AutoLinks: What car is it?

    Me: An Integra.

    Autolinks: You waited a year? I told you that if you had problems, you should bring it back right away. What do you want me to do?

    Me: I didn't think it was an issue because you gave me a lifetime warranty. I did email you about it within several weeks of noticing the bubbles. I just didn't have time until now to deal with it. Also, you told me to wait to see if they go away on their own.

    Autolinks: What do you want me to do about it?

    Me: Well I tried pushing the bubbles down and it doesn't look like there's air. It looks like there's no adhesive in those spots because it does go flush against the glass and then it pops back out.

    Autolinks: Well, you want me to redo it then? I can't remove it now because it's been a year. It's hard to remove it now. I told you back then like I did with all my customers that if you had a problem, to bring it back right away because it's easier to remove the tint then but instead you waited a year. Are we talking about tiny dust bubbles or something more serious? (I was thinking...did it matter if it was tiny bubbles or large bubbles?)

    Me: Well, the largest bubble is almost 1 inch along one of the defroster lines. Then there's a few bubbles where there was a piece of lint, and then several smaller ones on the defroster lines. Also, the driver's side rear window has a lot of tiny bubbles and you can see that it's tinted over very fine lint. I thought it was tinted over a spritz of water or some kind of solution. This I will let slide because I don't think it will spread.

    Autolinks: Well what do you want me to do about it?

    Me: I think the rear window tint has to be replaced. I don't think it can be fixed. It's ok, maybe I'll just pay someone else to remove it and replace it if it's too much trouble.

    Autolinks: Well, you can bring it back and I will take a look and we'll see what I can do, but like I said, you waited a whole year to bring it back. Ok, boss?

    Me: It's almost 9 months actually, but like I said, I didn't think it mattered because if the lifetime warranty. Ok then. I'll talk to you later.

    At the end, he promised to look at it, but his attitude was less than welcoming. How can I bring it back to the person who is reluctantly going to "look into it"? Will he repair it? Will he replace it? Will he tell me to go away? After this conversation about a LIFETIME WARRANTY, I lost confidence in this company and will never step foot in his establishment again. Also, how could I trust someone who did a crappy job on the tint? There's other bubbles that I didn't mention to him. I will take some pictures tomorrow.

    Hopefully, this was just his one bad day and no one else is treated that way, regardless of the type of car they drive. On the positive side, the alarm was installed and works flawlessly. BUT, the LED bulb was never drilled into the steering column or anywhere else for that matter. I asked John about it at the time of installation and he said that he doesn't drill because a lot of customers don't like that. They slid it in the gap between the windshield and the A-pillar. After 2 months of normal driving, the bulb slipped under that gap into the abyss. I will fish that out tomorrow. This I let slide and didn't mention it today. God forbid what would've happened if I mentioned this!

    I've owned 32 cars and I'm not a young punk. I know when someone is rude to me. Fault me for taking almost 9 months to bring it to him. But like I said, it's a LIFETIME WARRANTY.

    Cheers!

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    hey man i personally dont have experience with auto links. but everyone has a bad day, maybe personal maybe business related whatever the case he agreed to redo it, hopefully he doesn't charge anything. if he doesn't charge and will redo it, go for it, show him the other bubbles. if he charges for it, then remind him you're from tpc and you never thought he'd do you in like that. anyways go somewhere else if he wont redo it for free there are better places to go to.

    i was going to get my alarm installed (its a 2k teg too) this friday with them but i think ill stay away. Ill just go back to lockdown securities in scarborough, they charge less just have to wait because they're so busy.

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    Re: One Bad Experience at Auto-Links (TPC Affiliate)

    That is too bad.
    Jugding from what I read, albeit its 1 sided, I agree with you on how you handled it.
    The shop had a chance to rectify the problem and now you posted negative comments that people will remember.
    Question...the lifetime warranty - is it documented somewhere; on paperwork you have?

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    I think you are right 100% only if you have a proof in written or printed form and signed by company's responsible. Than you could nicely bang his tint house and earn money thru court.
    If not, than you should've went back asap to complain.
    Also wanted to add about him being rude, business is business bro, he was licking your a$s when he knew you got his money in your pocket for his services.
    Right now he knows he has to redo the whole thing on your windows, but who wants work for free? I know I don't, work for gov also.

    If I were you, I would raise my voice and ask for a full refund. I'm sure I'd get it. -kd

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    Re: One Bad Experience at Auto-Links (TPC Affiliate)

    I've done several of my cars at Autolinks. To me, the service and quality has always been great. It's perfect on my Audi.

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    Fuzion23: Yes, everyone is entitled to a bad day, but in the world of retail, you bite your lip and put on your poker face even if you don't want to help out a guy coming in for warranty. Also, he didn't say he was going to redo it. He said he would "look at it". In the context of how it got to that point in our conversation, would you have brought it back? I chose not to.

    SilverSS: I have the receipt as well as the pamphlet that explains the Lifetime warranty. I should be covered alright. I didn't think I would be hassled. But if you look at his website now, he now offers a different company's tint with different warranties.

    Tranzymind: No court. I deal with the Court of Appeals everyday. I'm not going to bother. A few over enthusiastic customers with positive word of mouth will only get you so far. At the end, it's the customer service and the quality of service that matters and in the end, only those businesses succeed in the long run.

    D.Nguyen: I'm glad you're happy. At the end, that's all that matters. But, I am not happy. Like I said, I have this on tape. I have no reason to hate. I have also referred people to him, even though I had this bubble problem because I knew one way or the other, it would be rectified. I laugh at myself now. Also, he's closed the first 2 workdays of the week (Mon-Tues) which was a ***** because some people are just busier on weekends or have to work weekends. It was hard for me to bring it to him earlier.

    Also, my bad. He is a sponsor, not an affiliate. Is there a difference? Should I expect less?

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    Re: One Bad Experience at Auto-Links (TPC Affiliate)

    Ok, I double checked. I actually brought in the car in Dec.2009, so that's 7 months back, not 9 months. The Sun-Gard tint warranty card said LIFETIME WARRANTY to the original purchaser (me), against peeling, cracking, adhesive failure, etc. and the Sun-gard dealer will replace at no charge. But, the receipt by Auto-Links said "10 year warranty on all installations". Maybe the 10 year warranty is for installation of stereos and alarms?

    Also, since I had it tinted in Dec when the air is drier, maybe it's harder to control lint and dust? Secondly, I remember picking up the car when it was already dark outside so maybe it's harder for him to see the bubbles/dust? Either way, not my fault, and I'm going to have my cars tinted in the summer next time.

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    Re: One Bad Experience at Auto-Links (TPC Affiliate)

    I had my car tinted at high noon on a hot summer day. The tinting film comes out of the stencil with layer of protective film and the windows get cleaned with lots of water before and after the installation. Weather shouldn't mean anything for a good window tinter.


    GL with your rear window. If you want, you can go to the Pro Tint in Whitby. That's where I got my tints done, and I'm sure they'll do good work for you. Alternatively, there's also a location in Hamilton.
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    if you payed for the service, and its life time warrenty + you have proof why wouldnt you go back and do it? they cant deny you. why wouldnt you wanna take it to court? prove a point to them. you let it slide once they will think its ok for it to happen again.

    i got quoted a good price to do my tint there, but after reading this i am having second thoughts

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    Re: One Bad Experience at Auto-Links (TPC Affiliate)

    Let me give John a call.. I haven't talked to him in a while... sounds like maybe he was having a worse than usual day... likely the heat coupled with the cave he works out of...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Let me give John a call.. I haven't talked to him in a while... sounds like maybe he was having a worse than usual day... likely the heat coupled with the cave he works out of...
    does he work out of a non ac'd shop? if so there ya go, heat can mess you up big time.
    btw, GO AFTER YOUR LIFETIME WARRANTY, dont let it slide, why pay out of pocket man you're entitled to it. either way goodluck!

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    Re: One Bad Experience at Auto-Links (TPC Affiliate)

    Hello my name is John i am the manager at Auto-links.

    I do apologize if you are offended by the phone conversation. As I tell all of my customers, alike with any tint shop, if there is an INSTALLATION error, it is required that the vehicle be brought back for removal and renistallation promptly rather than 6+ months later. After the tint has settled, it is extremely difficult to remove the film (especially on the rear glass with a 5% chance of damaging the defrost lines). I have been in the tint business for about 6 years, and this is a standard for ANY tint shop. You told me you noticed the problem right after the installation and then you contact me 7 months after for replacement? Doesn't really make sense if it was a problem 7 months ago. Lifetime warranty provided by the manufacturer covers materials. Workmanship is covered by the installation center.

    I apologize if the weather got the better half of me, you did call mid afternoon in 40 degree weather. As we discussed you were to bring the car by for inspection and replacement/repair. Hope to see you soon.

    Cheers
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    There we go, all settled.

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    Re: One Bad Experience at Auto-Links (TPC Affiliate)

    yup, John installed tints on my cousin's car today. =D

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    Hi,

    I don't want to have the defrost lines damaged so I'll leave it as it is. After speaking with you, and your explanation about how difficult it is to do it and that I should've came back earlier and that it is "standard" for ANY tint shop to tell customers to bring it back ASAP, I'm just going to leave it. I may try to pop them with a pin or even try to colour the bubbles with a sharpie pen. The bubbles don't shift anywhere and after all these months, the only solution I can see is to have it replaced. But I know the Integra hatch glass is a pain to do. In this case, it is not Sungard, but the workmanship that is to blame, so yes I should've brought it in earlier to have your mistakes fixed. The car was tinted on Dec5 and I contacted you on Dec18 via email. But yes, it's my bad for not bringing it in. I was in and out of the country a lot on business and you are closed the first 2 business days in the week so that made it harder for my schedule. I personally don't know of any tint shop closed on Mondays and Tuesdays, but everyone has a right to run their business whichever way they want. You also don't have a voicemail service. I've tried to make an appointment with you in the past over email and you said you don't accept appointments via email. And this is of no fault on your own, your shop is quite far from me. So, there's multiple reasons why I never mustered the time and effort to work around your schedule to bring it to your shop.

    Anyway, I noticed on the driver's side rear quarter glass that there's at least 10 tiny bubbles...very small pieces of lint. From certain angles it looks like a spritz of water. In the winter time, the air is dry, and the cloth you were using probably had a little lint and it somehow stuck on the glass when you were tinting it. My car was clean...I just shampooed and vacuumed it before I came. It is a 1995 car with 100K...it's damn clean. I know that lint is not avoidable because I also see other lint bubbles here and there, but on that one piece of glass there's a collection of them which bothered me. After getting it done in the winter time, where there's no sunlight, and the car is not driven in the winter, it's harder for me to catch these things, but I happened to at least catch the bigger issues early. Anyway, the bottom line is that the tint is not the greatest, I took months to actually try to schedule an appointment, and it didn't work out the way I wanted to. So, let's just leave it at that and I will leave it as it is.

    For the record, you tried to rectify it, but I chose not to take you up on the offer considering what has happened. So for the record, you've done your job.

    We all have our bad days but if it happens in the retail business, people notice. You can be perfect 99% of the time, but that 1% can harm you. I know from experience.

    My other car I brought to Audio Heaven to get tints done. They accidentally tinted it with a spider under it. I brought it back and they were polite about it and actually found it to be funny. It was 2 days after I spoke with you, in the same 40 degree weather. They fixed it and all is well. Their prices are higher, they're always busy, but they stand by their work. I showed them the bubbles on the Teg and they told me it's not worth it to pay and replace it with them. They also told me it was a pain to do it.

    Cheers and good luck.

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    I showed them the bubbles on the Teg and they told me it's not worth it to pay and replace it with them. They also told me it was a pain to do it.

    Cheers and good luck.

    No offense but he offered to fix it for free and you declined? Then you were considering paying to have it fixed?

    From what it sounds like you taking your time basically meant he would have to repair that tint on his dime whereby if it was a materials thing he could go back to the company that makes the tint.

    He offered to repair the situation. You shouldn't be calling people out if you weren't willing to take the car right back to him to have it fixed.

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    Spinnerlude, after someone gives you attitude on the phone, and who didn't do a proper job the first time, I would be reluctant to go back. Wouldn't you be? Wouldn't you see that as a problem and wouldn't you want to "call out" people or whatever the hell you want to call it? But it's not as simple as that. The whole point of this thread was that he wasn't too willing to to fix it in the first place by saying that it took me forever to contact him. True, I admit it, but isn't a warranty still a warranty? Secondly, I have no idea what you're talking about on your second line. Basically, whether I took it back to him on day 2 or 6 months later, he still has to do it because it's the workmanship's that's the fault, not the tint material. It's just that it's harder for him to do it later. Either way, he's out of pocket for the time, like any warranty work. Whether you tell the guy to bring it back a day later or 6 months later, a warranty is a warranty isn't it? No one was unwilling to bring it back to him to fix it until I spoke to him on the phone. If I was initially the unwilling party, why the heck would I call him in the first place? Like I said, I reckon that it took me awhile to bring it to him (for various reasons above), but the bottom line is that I believed that a warranty is a warranty...although they prefer to have you bring it to them earlier to make their job easier, but that didn't happen. So now what....after the guy b*tches at me on the phone I just bring it back to him now that he is all apologetic and wants to make things better? No, because that's my choice now. If you see from my post after he posted, I posted the reasons for doing what I did, and left it at that. After all that went down, some would just bring it back to him no matter what. For me, I'd rather pay someone else to fix it. Now, doesn't that tell you how soured I am on what transpired?

    So, if someone screws up the installation of something for your car, then b*tches at you for taking so long to bring it back, you complain on a forum, he then offers an apology and offers to fix it, you now can't tell people about it because he offered to fix it? It would be different if he fixed it in the first place instead of b*itching about it. Like I said, people have their bad days, but in retail, you suck it up.

    This thread served as a warning to people that if you have a tint issue due to to poor installation, bring it back ASAP before you get b*tched or somehow blame you for causing the bubbles. Whether you want them to touch your car again and ultimately try to fix it is actually your choice.

    Also, because Auto-Links is a TPC affiliate, I have the right to post any opinions about my experience, good or bad. If you happened to have a good experience, then good. Then post about it. If you have a bad experience, then post about it too. Throughout this whole ordeal, I was the most polite person in the world. As posted earlier, I have the whole conversation on tape if anyone cared to investigate the validity of my claims. There's more people willing to post about how great someone is rather than post how horrible someone is. That's why in life people b*tch and complain about everything without anything being changed in this world. That's why all our affiliates are seen as angels most of the time. If that's the truth, then good. But, sometimes, it's not so rosey, and just because you pay a little money to the forum, doesn't give you a right to not treat people well and not do a good job. The man said that TPC doesn't give him much business anyway (He said this in Dec 2009), but said that he did do some work for Grant, so this gives him immunity? I guess I was the only person to have a single bad experience with the installation and the followup customer service? There's tons of people who turn a blind eye. Trust and loyalty should be earned, and not blindly given.

    Surely, you can fault the owner of the car for taking forever to bring it back, but the bottom line is that a poor installation is a poor installation. Also, poor customer service is poor customer service. Bad hot humid day or not...in my particular job, I don't get any freebies. There's no days that I can blame the customer for anything if I was the one who made the mistake in the first place.
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    what do you have to say about that Spinnalube?

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    Thanks for the review. I'm looking for places to get my windows tinted, and I think I will be avoiding Auto-Links.

    Things that really throw me off when it comes to shops (and boy do I have bad experiences as most know):

    1. Shoddy work (but at least Auto-links is willing to fix)
    2. Blaming the customer (sounds like Century Powdercoating!) for taking too long to come back for a life time warranty.
    3. Bad overall customer service - seems that the only apology came after the store was called out through this site and mention of the whole conversation being recorded.

    Those three things are mainly what threw me off here. #1 is debatable because every shop makes a mistake, but #2 and #3 should not have happened.

    Thanks again for the review

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    why cant everyone just go to Thornhill tints...best tint shop in GTA for sure.

    you will be happy...I am and so are the other million people who went.

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    Luda...I know, I should have. I was a little apprehensive because I was cheap. You get what you pay for I guess! I went to Audio Heaven (easy for me because it was conveniently located near #7 and Leslie, not south-east Scarborough), but they charged me $50 more than said shop above. People!... don't save the damn $50. Audio Heaven is busy, so don't expect the greatest service either...except Jeff's brother-in-law who is the nicest guy there. Afterall, we don't pay money to have people kiss our butts...we just want competent work, service, and people willing to show some pride in their work and fix their mistakes. Like I said, they accidentally tinted my window with a spider behind the tint. Took it back, replaced it within the hour. #hit happens. Look, no one likes to do warranty work, but that's life. You can't fault the customer. In your head you can think it and say "why didn't this #sshole bring it back earlier), but the customer didn't do anything to put that damn spider or bubbles there.

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    My point is that if you noticed the poor workmanship right after you had the tint done, you should have been reasonable enough to bring the car right back to have it corrected, if you didn't have the time than don't get pissed off because someone was reluctant to help you 6 months after the fact and unreasonably rip them on a forum. You should have asked about the warranty details as opposed to assuming.

    No installation of any product is going to go perfectly no matter what, especially when you were taking the car to someone who would do the work a little cheaper than others. The work might have been ****ty and if you want to display that by pictures than that would have gotten your point across appropriatly.

    From what you've posted here it just sounds all too one sided and as a user of this forum I would not judge this affiliate by what you have posted above and I would warn others to not do the same until you post some actual proof. You say you have no time yet you can post a mile long thread detailing the whole conversation, wouldn't it just have been easier to post the "recorded' conversation? And boy am I happy that you are putting our tax dollars to work by spending your time and the gov'ts resources by recording some personal conversations.....


    I am all for people posting their experiences good or bad at the places they do business and it's helpful for other people who may be looking for the service HOWEVER I replied here because until you put some actual proof on here I think it is a ridiculous rant and based on what you have said it sounds like a bunch of bs. All too often business are forced to deal with Unreasonable people and its the unreasonable people who spoil it for all.

    Post your proof and I'll buy it!

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    This was interesting. You shouldn't have been spoken to rudely but.........I think you should have brought it back right away. Even though you keep on mentioning the lifetime warranty. If you notice something right away, it would have been much easier to deal with whatever vendor as they'll immediately remember what work was done and correct it. And in this case, it's a permanent sticker on your window, it's probably easier to do when it's fresh than it is after several months of being adhered.

    I'm no tint expert, but it's possible that it could have been fixed without removing it and some quick and simple techniques right from the start. But now that you've waited so long, there is no option but to remove it and replace it.

    It's as if you had a lifetime warranty on a car. When you drove it off the lot you realized that there's a funny noise which turns out to be a $5.00 fix. But instead of fixing it, you wait 7 months and the $5.00 fix causes more damage and now it's a $2000.00 fix. In this situation, I would never admit that I waited that long to get anything done because I'd feel pretty stupid.

    If i'm auto-links, I still fix it....but I still wonder WTF the customer was thinking. "I didn't have time" isn't really valid.

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    Spinnerlude: At the end of the day, the guy at the shop admitted there was a problem and admitted that he may have had a bad day when he spoke to me on the phone. Enough said. Apology accepted. I'm just still here responding to people who are for/against.

    SlntSam: No one is doubting that it is easier to remove tint earlier, rather than later. I was honest to admit that it took me awhile to bring it back. You would feel stupid, but I don't. I don't lie. I admit it took me longer than what some of you guys would do, but I also gave you the reasons behind my thinking, right or wrong. We all have our own personal reasons for doing what we do and thinking what we do, and you're not in a high position to judge what is truly "valid" or not. Rather, you have the right to say what *you* would have done in my case. Also, using the $5 to $2000 argument is an exaggerated example to make it look worse than it is. If I were to use the same calculation, then the $150 tint job would cost $60,000 to repair.

    Likewise, Canadian tire gives a 90 day refund/exchange time frame. I have every right to return something on the 90th day if I choose if that's the policy, no matter what my reasons are. Don't give a policy if you're not willing to gladly honour it and subject it to disclaimers, fine print, general "common sense" clauses, and instead respond with attitude.

    In the court of law, a warranty is a warranty. Contributory negligence can be used as an argument for the cause of the bubbles, not for the removal of them. Whether it costs $5 or $150 to fix it is irrelevant if that's what the warranty allows.

    I was perhaps less reasonable to return the car after that much time passed, but what is the reasonable response from the shop owner? Again, the problem is not the tint material for which he can return, it's the installation job. It's the work done by his own two hands that was the cause of the problem to begin with.

    Personally, if I were him I too would be a little annoyed at the customer, but at the end of the day, it's my handywork that caused it. I have too much pride to give a damn about what transpired, but would rather want the problem rectified and enjoy my good reputation. This is warranty work, not work where I "made a mistake and didn't like the stereo I bought months ago so can you hook me up with another one?". It's pretty cut and dry if you ask me.
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    Theres the point 8500 RPM..........you were less than reasonable (like you just said) to not bring the car back in a reasonable amount of time........

    He was less than reasonable in his so called response.........

    All places at time to time have quality issues (like you with the other shop and the spider)..........

    Why bad name the place by posting here when admittedly you were both UNREASONABLE and that 99% of the other transactions on a day to day basis are probably reasonably FINE!?!

    I think you just got your nose a little twisted because you didn't like getting yelled at and therefore not providing a great basis to bad name the shop for everybody to steer clear of.....

    Again if the work was THAT ****ty post the pics...

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    Of course it was exaggerated. That was the point. It wasn't meant to be literal. You've missed the point which is that something that was easily fixed right from the get go, is now hard to fix because you waited till it was hard to fix to say anything.

    I think you have your mind made up and it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. You have to be right about this and no one can tell you otherwise. And your actions seem a little erratic still. I know you explained it above that you were personally offended and that's why you went to a different shop to get it fixed. But the whole thing seems like you're saying that they are refusing to fix it. But in reality, you won't even take them up on their offer to fix it!

    Everything you said is basically because in the start of the convo your feelings were hurt? I can understand if maybe they refused, then when you complained on TPC or took other action, they conceded to fix. But they offered to fix right there in the convo? Isn't that what you wanted, to get it fixed?

    Also you're complaining about how you were treated, but not considering how you're treating the shop and it's owner. Sitting on something while it cures and then going back expecting the same reaction as if it had been a week later. Yes, this is my opinion but that's a bit ridiculous, especially when they offered to fix it.

    I'd like to see pics too. Post 'em up. If you need a site to host them in high res, I have one.

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    the way i see it is like EBAY feedback. if a vendor has a 99% POSITIVE 100 feedback, and only 1 NEGATIVE feedback i'd still buy from them. No one is perfect.

    What I want to know is how many have actually gone to auto links for tint and had a positive experience?
    how many went there and had negative experience.

    one negative feedback isn't enough keep me from going to them.

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    Spinnerlude: "didn't like getting yelled at". Yes, you got it right. Have you ever heard of the expression, the customer is always right? Yes, that's right. That's retail. You make a mistake, you fix it without hesitation. What you say to the customer, the customer has a right to say to everyone because you can easily be in my shoes someday. It can happen even if you brought it back day#1. No one likes warranty repairs, period. Complaining about a customer being late with a warranty repair cannot ignore the fact that the job was shoddy in the first place. Knock me all you can...I've been honest on my part. While you try to jump on my actions, you can't negate the fact that the job wasn't good in the first place. If only we were so forgiving of people messing up our cars, we'd live in a much happier place right? If only it was done right in the first place. I'm not talking about one little bubble here, or one little lint bubble here.

    SlntSam: It matters what people think. This is a forum. This is where we exchange ideas and opinions and if they differ, we have a right to counter. Your exaggerations don't help. I didn't exaggerate, nor did Auto Links.

    Here's some pics if anyone cares to see. Some bubbles, some lint, and the "spritz" of bubbles on the side window. Enjoy: http://www.flickr.com/photos/1560223...7624648455416/

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    lol, forget it. I hope your tint gets fixed and this ends up being a happy story for you. Perhaps they'll buy you a new car or something. I think you deserve it.

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    I'm not reading all of that. Let me know when the movie comes out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuzion23 View Post
    the way i see it is like EBAY feedback. if a vendor has a 99% POSITIVE 100 feedback, and only 1 NEGATIVE feedback i'd still buy from them. No one is perfect.

    What I want to know is how many have actually gone to auto links for tint and had a positive experience?
    how many went there and had negative experience.

    one negative feedback isn't enough keep me from going to them.
    I've had 3 cars done there. Perfect =D

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    lol, by all your response here you'd be a customer I would fire. the customer isn't always right, look that up.

    If I was an affiliate here and you called me, I wouldn't waste my time helping you as you have some unrealistic expectations.

    And if you want perfect PAY FOR IT next time, stop thinking you can 'cheap' out and get the same results.

    I'm done

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8500 RPM View Post
    Have you ever heard of the expression, the customer is always right? Yes, that's right. That's retail.
    I have heard of that expression but in real life it doesn't always work that way. In many cases (I'm not saying yours), the customer are just too irrational for the store to accomodate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spinnerlude View Post
    lol, by all your response here you'd be a customer I would fire. the customer isn't always right, look that up.

    If I was an affiliate here and you called me, I wouldn't waste my time helping you as you have some unrealistic expectations.
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    Both Spinnerlude and SlntSam have no experience with Auto Links so they'd be the last ones I would consider having any credible point in this case. Whereas D.Nguyen has at least been a customer there and thought his experience was fine.

    The pictures speak for themselves. The work on MY CAR was no good. End of story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spinnerlude View Post

    And if you want perfect PAY FOR IT next time, stop thinking you can 'cheap' out and get the same results.

    I'm done
    It's good that you are admitting that at Auto Links you get what you pay for due to their cheap prices. Thanks, you are helping my cause.

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    The lint in the pics is pretty bad.. Idk about the bubbles though - they're tiny, and asfaik, they do form naturally after a few months.

    When I got my car tinted (not @ auto-links), they were perfect, but after about 9-12 months, I did start to notice small bubbles all around.. just a result of the car being left in the sun all the time. I figured the reason for lifetime warrantees was that bubbles would inevitably grow and become conspicious.

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    Hello again,

    Thank you to all who are understanding of my situation.
    As a small business owner and operator, I do try 110% to provide the best possible customer service and workmanship as well. I do take serious offense to you saying that our workmanship is not good.

    We are one of the TOP TINT SHOPS in the GTA. We were selected this year to be the 3rd Formula One (Llumar) dealer exclusive in GTA. There are only 2 other Formula One dealers in GTA as they have extremely high quality screening and selection for their dealers. In your particular situation, as you mentioned in the back glass and in the driver door there was a little bit of dust or lint that got caught in the tint. This is normal, ALL shops give a 5% allowance for dust/dirt imperfections. It is even harder on older vehicles simply because the older the car the more dirt etc. will be on and around the windows. If it is greater than 5%, or any other film or installation defect, we always ask the customer bring the car back ASAP (2-4 weeks NOT 8 months) for repair or removal/reinstallation. When we did speak on the telephone I was NEVER yelling at you, nor was I disrepectful to you in any way. I just said straight up why did you not bring it back immediately, and WE DID end the conversation with the agreement that you were to bring the car back for inspection and replacement if necessary.

    I run a honest, quality small business. The nature of the business is very tedious. We ARE 110% on every vehicle. I am a CAR ENTHUSIAST MYSELF. Out of 1000 cars your car is 1 of the very few that have dust/dirt problems. As with ANYTHING you pay for , like others have mentioned, if there is a problem and if you DO care for your car like you say you do, you would have brought it back immediately. We have 100% FEEDBACK on about a dozen forums I sponsor.

    You contradict yourself when you praise audio heavens work. You said they PUT A SPIDER in your TINT. Is that considered GOOD quality workmanship?? You then mention you brought the car back 2 days later, where they were able to EASILY remove the film and reinstall. IF you had brought back your car 2 weeks or even 2 MONTHS after installation I would have been more than happy to replace any problem windows you had.

    I know now that it will be hard to find a resolution to this, as I offered to you to bring the car in and you declined, I don't know what else to say to you to resolve this. Obviously you are unhappy, but please consider how you handled the situation. I know there always will be haters, but I think you are being very unreasonable in handling this situation.


    Thank you again to all that are understanding, and for reading my side of the story!

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    You're the one who is contradicting yourself. Here you said you were not disrespectful, but earlier you apologized by saying, "weather got the better half of me, you did call mid afternoon in 40 degree weather.".

    I also don't get, "This is normal, ALL shops give a 5% allowance for dust/dirt imperfections." I don't know how one determines that "5%".

    This will be the end of the thread. People can judge both sides and make their own conclusions. People have a right to go wherever they want for tint.

    Good luck everybody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8500 RPM View Post
    You're the one who is contradicting yourself. Here you said you were not disrespectful, but earlier you apologized by saying, "weather got the better half of me, you did call mid afternoon in 40 degree weather.".

    I also don't get, "This is normal, ALL shops give a 5% allowance for dust/dirt imperfections." I don't know how one determines that "5%".

    This will be the end of the thread. People can judge both sides and make their own conclusions. People have a right to go wherever they want for tint.

    Good luck everybody.
    lol okay so let's say the area of a window is 100 square inches. 5% of 100 is .......

    I shall also give my final word as now I'm involved too! I don't know Auto-links, personally i've never tinted a car. And I don't know 8500rpm guy personally and to my knowledge, i've never met him.


    Here's what we know purely from reading this thread.

    - You are unhappy with your tint right from the get-go.
    - You wait many months to get your tints fixed for whatever reason.
    - You call Auto-Links a few months later and have a conversation where you were offended that they weren't kissing your ass as you feel it should have been kissed. (happens to me, I feel like this sometimes too)
    - In that conversation Auto-Links offers to fix your problem.
    - You refuse the free fix

    Here's the fun part.

    - You then come on TPC and complain that auto-links will not fix your window.
    - You quote some legal BS about what a warranty is, but because your feelings were so hurt, you didn't even go to the shop to get it fixed!

    Don't you see that before you can make ANY remark about them honouring the warranty you have to GIVE THEM A CHANCE to honour the warranty first?

    That's what I don't get about this whole thing. Is how you can say all these things, but you don't even know if they can or would fix your window. Instead, you just come out and say it as if it's fact. But it's not fact, and you are talking about this person's business, their job, probably their livelihood.

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