Porsche Panamera

[fgramegna]

is all i have to 'express'

Stick to making 2dr sports cars instead of SUV's and 4dr saloons



http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/News/Se...ficial-photos/

[Arjun]

Contrary to what Clarkson and co. say, this thing will sell by the boat loads - credit crunch be damned!

[heat]

it was gonna happen sooner or later

[VindiCated]

they should make it a sedan, not a wagon/hatch.

[Yield]

Originally Posted by Arjun

Contrary to what Clarkson and co. say, this thing will sell by the boat loads - credit crunch be damned!

Really? I don't really see a huge market for a 300-500 hp 5 door that is going to cost that much. The Cayenne did so well because the SUV market was blowing up at the time and there wasn't much competition in the high performance luxury SUV segment. There are already a fair amount of contenders in the high performance sedan segment and ones that look a lot better. I do like the front of the car but the back is pretty brutal. It will be interesting to see if it sells.

[Grant]

Originally Posted by Yield

Really? I don't really see a huge market for a 300-500 hp 5 door that is going to cost that much. The Cayenne did so well because the SUV market was blowing up at the time and there wasn't much competition in the high performance luxury SUV segment. There are already a fair amount of contenders in the high performance sedan segment and ones that look a lot better. I do like the front of the car but the back is pretty brutal. It will be interesting to see if it sells.

M5 ?

[salesguy]

that will be a huge hit in western and central europe no doubt. NA buyers will like the option of a prorsche wagon VS Benz, BMW, Volvo, Caddi, etc...

[Lord Dragon]

I'd rock one - it will grow on youse...

[OUZO Power]

Originally Posted by salesguy

that will be a huge hit in western and central europe no doubt. NA buyers will like the option of a prorsche wagon VS Benz, BMW, Volvo, Caddi, etc...

when was the last time you went to Europe?

[salesguy]

Originally Posted by OUZO Power

when was the last time you went to Europe?

yesterday.

[Richard]

I likes it!

[Kri$han]

good idea, but the 'purity' of the brand is slowly being lost.

selling out, ftl.

[salesguy]

purity shmurity, its about making money and with the GT series line up and its flagship GT porsche has solidified its purity for a long time. Lamborghini made trucks and such, did they loose purity? Evolution of the times is more how I see it. Capitilzing on the market is how porsche sees it.

[STEEEZ]

WTF is up with exclusive companies (Porsche/Lamo) making 4 door garbage ?

I hope it sees the same demise as the Phaeton...

[conte6]

looks like a piece of poo with 4 doors

[Kri$han]

Originally Posted by salesguy

purity shmurity, its about making money and with the GT series line up and its flagship GT porsche has solidified its purity for a long time. Lamborghini made trucks and such, did they loose purity? Evolution of the times is more how I see it. Capitilzing on the market is how porsche sees it.

"Selling out" = Capitalizing on the market.

To me, makers like porsche shouldn't be related to those of Hyundai. Hyundai makes cars to make money. Porsche makes cars that are working pieces of art... there's a difference.

To me, its akin to good musicians that make sh!t songs, only because they know it'll sell and it'll get lots of airtime on the radio.

But, business is business, and you can't argue with that.

[Lord Dragon]

Originally Posted by Kri$han

"Selling out" = Capitalizing on the market.

To me, makers like porsche shouldn't be related to those of Hyundai. Hyundai makes cars to make money. Porsche makes cars that are working pieces of art... there's a difference.

To me, its akin to good musicians that make sh!t songs, only because they know it'll sell and it'll get lots of airtime on the radio.

But, business is business, and you can't argue with that.

pfft...

starving artists have to eat too. If these companies can't change with the times to keep their pockets fat, and subscribe to purists like you, they'd be out of business. (Porsche specifically) Ferrari, Lambo, Konig etc..., they can continue to design for the artists sake as they have the clientele to support their pockets.

[OUZO Power]

Originally Posted by salesguy

yesterday.

Well you didn't see much.

You think there are more of these high end cars scooting around europe then there are here?

Nope.

Exotics might come from there. But represent a fraction of the general car population.

Even in italy. For every 1 ferrari there is 2 million Fiats.

In the end. Unless you target the NA market to sell your not going to be succesfull.

[salesguy]

Originally Posted by OUZO Power

Well you didn't see much.

You think there are more of these high end cars scooting around europe then there are here?

Nope.

Exotics might come from there. But represent a fraction of the general car population.

Even in italy. For every 1 ferrari there is 2 million Fiats.

In the end. Unless you target the NA market to sell your not going to be succesfull.

allow me to contort....

The general fiat driving public may not be able to afford this car but the high rollers in europe will love it. Just as the general civic driving population in NA won't be able to afford it the high rollers in NA will love it also. Obviously there is a demographic for this type of vehicle and that demographic spans the world the over with NA and Europe being the bulk of sales for a vehicle like this. I'm not going to argue where more vehicles will be sold, thats not what I said in the first place, my statement merely said that it will be a hit in the western and central european markets as it will in NA as it provides options. I stand by that statement.

[Type-SR]

I think it needs more buttons

[STEEEZ]

Originally Posted by Type-SR

I think it needs more buttons

bahahahaha... i just noticed that too !

WTF. Is this car made for people with extremly poor vision ?

[- 91 SR -]

i like it.

the side profile is a horrible shot ... its a beautiful car

[Yield]

Originally Posted by Grant

M5 ?

Not sure what you were responding too? There's lots of competition in the sedan segment from BMW, MB, Audi, etc. which makes this a harder sell. Making it a 5 door only makes it weirder/harder to sell in this market IMO. I think it will sell better in Europe and that's why Audi sells their RS6 wagon in Europe but not here. People in NA that want room, performance, and luxury will buy SUVs, not wagons.

[Kri$han]

You know, this move really does "complete" their line-up now, i must say.

The purist in me says: 'anything but a 911, and its not a real porsche'

But the car guy in me says: 'hmm, now there's a car for every need in their line-up. SUV for capability, sedan for moving people, high-priced luxo sprts car, roadster, and small-ish entry-level sports car.

[Johnny]

There's no truck, weiner.

[SilverBullet_01]

Originally Posted by conte6

looks like a piece of poo with 4 doors

haha exactly ... at least from that side view

but here ...



very nice

[- 91 SR -]

ive seen this car in person recently. i stand with my original assertion: its a beautiful car. and the side profile is not that bad.

401 west at keele


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[sash]

Pictures do not do this car justice.
I did not like the looks of it either, until I saw one in person.
I had a chance to have a really close look at it this summer. If I was made of money and wanted a 4 door car, there really isn’t much out there I’d take over Panamera.
Here are a couple of pictures I took this summer:

[- 91 SR -]

Originally Posted by sash

If I was made of money and wanted a 4 door car, there really isn’t much out there I’d take over Panamera.

true. the purists will complain about porsche 'selling out' and such, but really, what are your options in this segment/class?

[- 91 SR -]

by the way, where were those pics taken? porsche meet?

[sash]

Originally Posted by - 91 SR -

by the way, where were those pics taken? porsche meet?

Nah, it was some exotic car show.

I drove this thing there:

[Diddy]

i like it actually...like others have said...it growwwwws on you

[cdiddy76]

Originally Posted by sash

Nah, it was some exotic car show.

I drove this thing there:

You have a Supra?

[Lord Dragon]

That looks like one of those cars/trucks that have undergone a 'stretch' into a limo. Like the Aston Mini stretch and should never have

[Sanjay]

Originally Posted by - 91 SR -

true. the purists will complain about porsche 'selling out' and such, but really, what are your options in this segment/class?

i dont think porsche would be around (or at least anywhere near as strong as it is) if it wasn't for the Cayenne

[SlntSam]

You can't really tell how big it is from the pictures.

[8500 RPM]

After seeing this Porsche, I had flashbacks of this Oldsmobile:

[Jarek]

Originally Posted by sash

Nah, it was some exotic car show.

I drove this thing there:

Aw noh, is that Tim's Supha?

[E2EK1EL]

Ironic ... I saw this parked in front of my car wash today and didn't care to look at it up close. Its was that ugly.

[Spirit]

Aesthetically, I think Porches are butt fugly. I am not aware of any other (good) manufacturer's car-lineup, of which I am able to simple look over their performance due to their fugly design, and not even bother considering it as a possibility in future purchases.